J: Hello, I'm Jody. Welcome to American Cafe! So, Yang Chen, I was looking at our web site for American Cafe and we have a problem.
J: Well, it's okay. But I thought we could find better artwork. Don't you? Our web site is just not very artistic.
Y: 哎呀, 网页只要实用就好了，要那么花哨干什么？
J: A good web site does more than just work. It has to be kind of like a work of art.
Y: Art? 艺术。我觉得电脑是个科学工具，根本没必要弄那些华而不实的东西。
J: Okay, okay, let's not argue ! Hey, I have an idea. Let's talk to our friend Erica. You remember Erica, don't you?
实录1: Erica: Web design is very much an art and a science. It's both together because the artistic side is pretty obvious. You need to have visual design.
J: See, Erica says you need to have visual design, V-I-S-U-A-L visual D-E-S-I-G-N design, the way things look.
Y: 哎呀，你耐心一点！ 我敢担保她接下来一定会强调网页设计的科学性。
实录2: Erica: There's a very technical side to it. You experiment. You try things. You test things. They fail. They give you errors. You try again. You keep playing with it.
Y: 你看，我说什么。Erica 也强调设计网页是一项技术性很强的工作。
J: She did say that there is a very technical side to it.
J: Well, just hold on a minute! Let's spell technical. Technical is spelled T-E-C-H-N-I-C-A-L, technical side to it.
实录3: Erica: So, it's really that marriage between art and technical skills that are so important for web site design.
Y: Erica刚才说的一句话很有意思。她说网页设计是 A marriage between art and technical skills. Marriage 这个词也可以这样用啊？
J: Marriage, M-A-R-R-I-A-G-E, marriage, can be used to mean a union to other things besides a spouse. Maybe the best way is to give an example. Well, like Erica said, "It's really that marriage between art and technical skills." I can also say "I like that idea, but I'm not married to it." Meaning, I like the idea but I'm not committed to it.
J: But Yang Chen, I wonder. Does Erica consider herself an artist or a scientist?
Y: 对， Erica 认为她自己是一个艺术家呢，还是科学家？
实录4: Erica: I'm really an artist. The reason I'm doing web design is because it gives me an opportunity to do art all the time. Make pretty things and show them to people 'cause (because) I love an audience too.
J: Erica considers herself an artist. She likes making pretty things and showing them to people and she loves an audience. Sounds like an artist to me.
J: A web site is not just art that you hang up in your house, like a painting. It's art that the whole world can see!
实录5: Erica: It works out perfectly. People actually pay me to do art. But it's not just the kind of art, you know, that you hang up in your house. It's art that the whole world can see. And it's art that's really functional and useful. And actually I'm really proud of the functional part too, the fact that it's very user-friendly and very useful, not just pretty to look at.
J: It really sounds like Erica has found a good marriage between art and science in her web design company. So what do think, Yang Chen? Our web site needs artistic help?
J: Erica would love to help us.
J: Thanks for joining us on American Cafe! See you next time!
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